Saturday, July 26, 2014

DREAM ON

Unpinned even by rudimentary notions of time and space, dreams float or flash by, leaving in their wake trails of unease, hopes, fears and anxieties. Brook

As Yahoo almost daily reports another of Bergoglio's madcap efforts to remake the Vatican Establishment into something the Novus Ordo itself doesn't recognize, the sede cult kingpins renew their unrealistic hopes of an emergent, cult-plagued empire. Most importantly, these uneasy pipe dreamers envision their corporate, out-of-state bank accounts swelling with the grateful contributions of the disenchanted, conservative Novus Ordites who, they vainly fancy, will flock to their discredited cult centers. According to these lucre-addicts' hallucinations, the fresh meat will revive both their emptying chapels as well as their dashed hopes of influence. The crowds of refugees, these hucksters calculate, will more than recompense them for their ongoing losses. Once more (they dream) the 7:00 a.m. Sunday Mass will be standing room only, and the weekly collection will skyrocket past pre-2009 highs. No longer will they have to pad the statistics.

While we certainly agree that conservative Catholics are growing dismayed at Bergie's ungodly pronouncements, we have seven reasons why we don't believe that these latter-day pilgrims will set out for Tradistan's wasteland once they finally see the light.

First, the leavers will be mainly thinking, educated Catholics, not the addled "I'll-stick-with-the-Holy-Father-come-hell-or-high-water" types. (How similar to the trad troglodytes who cling to Dannie and Donnie despite the evidence!) That means these prospects will do the research before they leap to any group promising the true Catholic faith. It won't take them very long to find all the negative stories on the web about the cult's infamous clerics and their reprehensible antics over the years, especially the 2009 SGG School Scandal and Cheeseball Tony Baloney's blood-curdling, vengeful "opinion" about forsaken, tortured Terri Schiavo, who surely met a martyr's death.*

Second, they're used to accountability. As corrupt as the Novus Ordo is, there do exist institutional mechanisms and processes for the redress of lay grievances against clerical injustice and over-reach. Moreover, the abuse scandals of recent years have radicalized the N.O. laity, so, from the start, they'll be wary of arrogant sede clergy who are obviously out of their depth. These good people are used to speaking truth to power, so they won't remain silent in the face of bad behavior and B.S. from ineffectual ne'er-do-wells elbowing their way to an easy life. When they see how "One Hand" and Big Don run everything like a whip-crackin'  ante-bellum Mississippi plantation, they'll stay away or they'll leave at once, if they'd been so stupid as to ignore all the ominous warnings on the 'Net.

Third, those souls who do wander in out of curiosity, or through bad luck, will soon detect all the characteristics of a religious cult. The outlandish, ego-centric, self-referential sermons and communications. The Una-cum scam. The sede spielers' preoccupation with making money in the form of "alms" and bailouts. The requirement to socialize only with members of the cult, to sever family ties, and to alter personal goals. The expectation and constant exhortation to devote large amounts of time to the cult's activities, including policing the cult leader's garden and supplying food for cult's possibly invalid hirelings. The vigorous discouragement of questions about finances and the cult leaders' practices. The emphasis on the cult leader's personality and the demand for unquestioning commitment to his ever-shifting aims. The cult masters' unceasing attempts to induce feelings of shame and guilt in order to control the membership. The polarizing "us-versus-them" mentality.  The manic drive to attract new members. The luxury spa vacations and fancy trips abroad, cynically disguised as "pilgrimages" and "apostolates."

Fourth, any N.O. exiles are sure to steer clear once they read a few issues of Li'l Dan's twee "Bishop's (?) Corner" with his morbidly obsessive, ghoulish, weekly accounts of the clergy's marauding pet hell-cats' bloody offerings of  shredded baby-bunny carcasses. They'll see it for what it is: sick! sick! SICK!

Fifth, many, if not most, of the newcomers will come from upper-middle-class parishes where their fellow Catholics shared the same social values, upwardly mobile aspirations, and good genes as they. The minute they spy the mousie, greasy-haired, rheumy-eyed Trad womenfolk wrapped like rickets-riddled mummies in floor-length skirts sewn from faded curtains shoplifted from the local Goodwill thrift store, they'll turn in mortal fear and run. In fact, they'll exit so quickly they won't notice either the females' slobbering mates hunched over beside them in a formless, quivering heap or their undernourished, sallow-faced, flinching spawn. Furthermore, since many of these new arrivals will possess advanced degrees themselves, they'll recoil at the sede clergy's notoriously impoverished formation. (Remember that many N.O. priests and bishops possess real academic credentials, having earned their bachelor's, master's, and/or doctoral degree from recognized colleges and universities, not the Flushing Rat's intellectual leprosarium or some vague "independent study.")

Sixth, the cult money-grubbers don't have the sense to realize that potential N.O. recruits aren't the least bit interested in the question of the invalidity of Novus-Ordite holy orders. They'll have left the conciliar Church because of Bergoglio's hostility to the basic tenets of the faith, not because they believe their former priests and bishops were invalidly ordained. Accordingly, when the cult masters start preaching their unprovable, rent-seeking hypothesis -- and that's all it is, until the Restoration settles all such questions -- these folks will step back in disgust. Some will leave even faster once they learn the story of Dannie's orders: No one wants to risk leaving the N.O. only to find his family assisting at sacrilegious Masses.

Seventh, these searchers are products of contemporary, casual, mid-American culture, so when they come face to face with the cult's quickfire, paranoiac dress codes coupled with the fearful cult masters' disturbing fetish with women's clothing and footwear, they'll rebel, especially when women and young girls are blamed as the cause for randy Trad menfolk's lubricious fantasies.  Moreover, in an age when first professionals dine at upscale restaurants in smart polos and sporty cavalry twills, they'll laugh at the cult's lunatic insistence on dress shirts, ties, and jackets. And you really can't blame them.  Last Sunday, Dannie railed against the casual dress and "slovenly attire" of Traddie visitors to his cult center, betraying the fact that other (mentally stable) Trads unattached to his cult reject all such sinister, mind-control efforts. The Novus Ordo may have deprived these folks of the ancient faith but not of common sense. To see the other side's point of view, we've got a little test for you.  Who better honors our Lord in "His house" and on "His day" (as Wee Dan might say):  (1)  an immaculately barbered gentleman outfitted in a professionally starched, open-necked tattersall shirt with spotless, crisply pressed khakis and well-cared-for, country bluchers; or (2) an unkempt, ill-shod, cultling zombie lout stuffed into a wrinkled, dingy-white shirt with a food-stained tie under a moth-eaten sweater-vest that fails to cover an unsightly, flaccid gut pillowing over stained work pants so tight-in-the-seat as to threaten an ill-timed (and, indeed, unwelcome) mooning?

It's time the anxious cult's hawkers wake up and end their impossible dream. The beneficiaries of any mass exodus from the N.O. will be the SSPX, the FSSP, and those traditional priests with sense enough to reject the moribund sede business model. The only Novus-Ordite seekers to join the cult chapels will be spasm-shattered misfits, who, in short order, will wreak so much mischief that the cult barkers'll wish they'd folded their circus tents to head for a subdued retirement in the desert Southwest.

* When the neophytes read what an authentically trained and humane  priest,  Fr. Juan Carlos Iscara of the SSPX, has to say on the matter in general, they'll avoid the cult and idiot Checkie like the plague. See for yourself here.



23 comments:

  1. As much as i liked this blog when it started, now it seems to be getting onto the level, if you will, with the same sede clergy who are despised. What's wrong with rejecting una cum? Since Francis is not the pope, it would be logically consistent to not mention him in the mass.

    What's wrong with independent study or avoiding the demon-filled halls of academia? Didn't the Apostles just learn from Jesus in a similar way? Perhaps universities can be formed or recaptured down the road. For now we're in dire straights. Analogously, Paul Feyerband wrote in "Against Method" that in times of war some doctors were trained in as little as 6 months. i don't believe i saw the dogma, "outside of academia there is no salvation".

    I will go out on a limb and suggest that constantly bringing up one's failures and sins has to be contrary to the spirit of forgiveness. I don't see hardline diatribes in St. Paul or Jesus in the Gospel. Can the sede trads be won over by forgivensss, and their laypeople? Could a switch of tactics be successful in shocking traditional laymen: "a FORGIVING traditionalist ? i thought that was for the novus ordo. We all judgment here."

    No need to worry, dear pisturgia litrina! The sedes, or any trads that i'm aware of, do not believe in evangelization (except for maybe heterical Most Family Holy Monastery). There will be very little growth, as compared to, say, Mormon and Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Said the rector in his debate vs. Dr. Fastiggi, "i didn't recruit any of my flock, they chose to be here of their own free will". Something like that. You know "independent" bishops, they don't want to act like they have authority or anything! Don't get the impression they're actively recruiting souls to be saved because they are certain their position is indisputably correct! Because if such certainty was possessed, certainly there would be a unity of trads and an effort to actively enact missionary evangelization based on principles of Catholic Action...

    Granted, though, i have had my taste of these, uh, little angels, we shall say, of clergymen, and I thank you for your continued efforts to bring to light the clear truth that all is not well in "Sedelandia". that they have inspired these series of continued writings attests to the reality that they are troublemakers, and i certainly would not put up with them if i lived in their area and have not in my limited experience with them.

    the obsessive focus on dress codes seems to me a symptom of "fiftiesism", of wanting to go back to the 50s. Yet it was just this harsh obsessive anal retentiveness which made the "liberation" of Vatican 2 all the more appealing. Thus, their basic error is failure to objectively enforce the law without a sense of judgmentalness. If someone is required to wear a suit and tie and does not, they should be plitely asked to change or to leave. Didn't jesus say that he who was angry with his brother commits murder in the heart?

    anyway i may add more but I love you guys pistrina and the sede cult masters, even though i may be divided against you. i hope And pray God leads us to true unity and salvation, and blesses you with abundance of graces for what you need!

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    1. Thanks for your frank, thoughtful response. We have no problem with "una-cum" as a *theory* -- it's one of many propositions competing in the marketplace of Trad ideas. But it's only a theory and not the dogma that the cult masters suppose.

      Your invitation to forgiveness is inspiring and well motivated. As Christians, believe it or not, we have forgiven all these bad actors long ago, and as readers of this blog know, we understand that many of their failures as men and priests can be traced to their inadequate formation and to the bad judgment of the superior who advanced them in orders. However, we won't need to remind someone as insightful as yourself that forgiveness does not mean forgetfulness, especially when the objects of our forgiveness have not amended their lives. Had they admitted their faults and changed their ways, we would bring none of this up. But they haven't, as you yourself know, For that reason, we continue to remind Catholics of the dangers they present both to their souls and to the pocketbooks.

      Regarding their proselytizing, let us simply say that we share a different experience and an alternate reading of the cult masters' activities. How else can we interpret Dannie's actions in Rochester, MN, which already has a Trad mission and in no real need of another? Similarly, why did the rector write several years ago that he expected to take over Our Lady of the Sun in Arizona? (Thankfully his efforts met with failure.) Perhaps the difference lies in the fact that you interpret their missions as a zeal for souls, and we see them as resource grabs.

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  2. What does dire straights mean? Aren't we supposed to be on the straight & narrow? So why would that be dire? On the other hand, strait, usually used in the plural - straits - means distress or need. Thus dire straits.
    Reminds me of 'peaked my curiosity'. One's curiosity didn't reach its peak, rather it was aroused or pricked, and started, thus piqued my curiosity.
    *shuts dictionary*

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    1. Perhaps Anon.7/27 8:55 will reply, but we thought he was just in a hurry. It's no harm, no foul, as far as we're concerned.Still, *kudos* to your sharp eye.

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  3. "Oy vey! The goyim know! Shut it down!"

    My thoughts on an end to Traditio, Pistrina-Liturgica, Most Holy Family Monastery, and all other diatribes against the sins of traditionalists:

    The Imitation of Christ, p. 13, chapter 4: Prudence in Our Undertakings, "Practical Reflections: Nothing is more opposite to charity, or more fatal to salvation, tha the evil reports we make of one another, whether they be true or false [note: whether they be TRUE]; because they irritate the mind, disorder the heart, foment divisions, and embitter hatreds, and because we cannot obtain God's pardon fro them, unless we resolve, in our confessions, to repair the evil we have done, and to reconcile those we may have set at variance. We should therefore neither spread evil reports of others, nor listen to them; and if we do hear anything against our neighbor, we should be careful not to repeat it.

    Prayer: Grant, O my Savior, that I may observe, with the greatest care, Thy precept of charity towards my neighbor, to love him as Thou hast loved us, since this is absolutely necessary for salvation. Give me also that tenderness of charity which may prevent me from wounding it in any way: for Thou hast said that to offend our neighbor is to wound the apple of Thine eye. Grant, therefore, that I may avoid Thy displeasure by not incurring the displeasure of my neighbor. Amen."

    ;) cease n desist 2 da trad wurld

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  4. con't:

    but, like "dude", imagine someone turning down a cushy novus ordo seminary and "priest" life for the swampy pesthouse (i think i use ur terminology consistently sry if not). dang give the man sum credit! Or is that too "sinful", "ego stroking"? naw, man, or like how will they ever recruit anyone? i should think some normal complimenting's in order like "nice job! yeah it's tough here but we would really appreciate you on board in some capacity..." L O L , naw, it's just high expectations of trivial things like dressing properly. it doesn't reflect a love of God, a love of neighbor. it's just a disconnected "hardline" rigor, castles made a sand.

    i emailed novusordowatch, they were doig this "novus ogre" award on who was the worst novus ordite. sensing that this was a culty fetish activity and not really focussed on saving souls or building upanyone up, i suggested we scrap dat and do a "best traditionalist or sedevacantist" award. like, bro, a proper military gives our purple heart awards and whatnot, you gotta give props where it's due for service, it boosts morale, all the novus ordo normal groups do stuff like that. Not only was my idea rejected but it was suggested that doing such an honoring would be sinful. LOL i have gazed into the cult abyss...

    The polite thing to do is drop out and build up whatever better operation you're a part of. ere's a place for "negative press" and the mud-slinging like on this website. But, meh, i think just forgive them, forget them, put them out of mind, stay focussed on God, loving God, doing His Will. "Man", don't sweat dese cultmasters so much. Yah, they endanger souls, ruin marriages, create unnecessary panic attacks and mental pbreakdowns. So what? Err, umm, wait, when you put it that way...

    I dunno P L, i think we just gotta kill 'em w/ kindness. you feel me and my intentional slang typing and verbiage? I ain't as smart as you but put your intellect towards thinking up some good thoughts. Maybe it's like the grinch cartoon or something, he stole all the presents and the people kept joyfully singing and it just drove the mean old grinch to tears. Do a special act of kindness for the rector, send a gift.

    Alternatively, hit 'em with some brute force. There are holes in the sede thesis for miles and says. the normal hing to do is to just elect a pope. i'm half convinced vatican 2 commies made up sedevacantism as a destination to nowhere to co-opt the traditionalist movement and keep it in permanent paralysis.

    Lastly practice all the virtues and maybe God can fix the pope issue anc Vatican 2 and lead off the Restoration to glory, but perhaos we need some hardcore fasts and prayers and to go the extra mile in doing so beyond the average effort given. we don't know what 2 do bout vatican 2 and need 2 pray bout it. we KNOW Jesus wants us to feed the poor and so on. Like, how many traditionalist charities were started lately?

    Be good pistrina. Love your enemy sedelandian cult masters

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    1. There's a lot to chew on, and, yes, we think we get your point, especially about dropping out and building a better operation. We particularly endorse your alternative, except for the election bit. Brilliant phrase: sedeism = destination to nowhere. Aliquid pravism is far more rational.

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  5. Readers, your position of "we forgive but we don't forget" shows who you really are. There is nothing spiritual about you. You have an ax to grind and that is your reason d'etre. If you forgive and you do not forget then you have not forgiven.

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    1. Absolute nonsense in every respect, and a failure to understand forgiveness in its proper legal significance as one means to extinguish debt. Our RAISON d’être, btw, is to save Catholics from cult-mad mountebanks. We have forgiven these scumbags, and because we remember their sleazy ways, we'll forgive them when they offend again, as is their nature. But because we remember, we won't let them gain the same advantage as before. That would be an offense against prudence.

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  6. Forgiveness & forgetting are apples & oranges. How, or even why, can you forget terrible things? We're not God. Another thing: Have the offenders mended their ways? Isn't amendment a part of the forgiveness? Surely you don't believe that God forgives us even if we don't make a firm purpose of amendment? Well, that goes for us too. There needs to be some restitution on the part of these clergy before anyone can forget their evil deeds. Religion & spirituality isn't a bowl of mush I'm sorry to tell you.

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    1. Beautifully expressed, and that's our point.

      Anon. 7/29 6:49 p.m. is clearly way out of his depth. He's used to the sentimental pap that Dannie dishes out, which is far from the solid nourishment served by the Catholic faith. But, of course, we can understand why the cult masters and their acolytes would like everyone to forget priestly misdeeds as soon as possible.

      Actually, the cultists don't need to invoke any Bambi's-forest theology about forgiveness and forgetting. Humans are all too easily inclined to forget the evils that befall them. That's the principle the cult masters rely on: "it'll all blow over in a little while and we then can get back to the business of raking in the donations and living large."

      And they're not wrong, as experience with weak-sister Trads has taught them. We know of one conspicuously pious Trad who left the cult in disgust after a cult kingpin menacingly grabbed an acquaintance by the lapels in the social hall. He vowed that his conscience would never allow him to remain under such a regime. Well, after a couple of years, he's back with them because "they do a good job" at the Sunday Big Show.

      Forgetfulness certainly has the advantage of easing a compromised conscience. It surely helped that cockroach.

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  7. You Readers don't know how to argue a point without name calling and belittling others. So now how about a little of your own medicine. You are a bunch of mealy-mouthed, self-centered, arrogant, know it all snobs. The only reason I didn't add to this list of insulting adjectives is because I am "way out of my depth". Even if your arguments are valid, which I don't concede, your way of presenting them is insulting to one's intelligence. Your self-righteousness is a turn off to all but your choir. Your defenders are all part of a mutual admiration society. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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  8. Anon 11:23PM, I don't get the point of your post. Sorry.
    What Catholics need to know is that of course they must forgive, but that is contingent on the offender being sorry for their misdeeds and sins, making restitution, and resolving to do better and not keep repeating the same sins. Otherwise you are not being godly and forgiving, but you are in fact an ungodly ENABLER and might justly share in the offender's punishment. You've neglected an important component, and that is making sure the offender knows that he must mend his ways in order that offences be forgiven and forgotten. I'm not making this up. Christ Himself demands it. It's tough, I know, but that's the REAL spiritual life.

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    1. How right you are. The cult masters have a lot to atone for,We still forgive them, because we know their crippling limitations and understand (but don't condone) their bitterness for their lack of talent. We won't put their misdeeds behind us, however, until they make restitution and retire so they won't be tempted to relapse.

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    2. "You've neglected an important component, and that is making sure the offender knows that he must mend his ways in order that offences be forgiven and forgotten."

      Wow, just wow. This is so off base I can hardly believe it's written here. Oh wait, maybe I can. You only forgive people if they're sorry??! And if they're not, you don't forgive them? What catechism do you read?! So St. Stephen shouldn't have forgiven the Pharisees while they were stoning him, because they weren't sorry? One of the last words of Our Lord was, "Father, forgive them..." So the Pharisees must have repented before Our Lord said that, I guess? They just forgot to take Him down from the cross.

      This is typical of the un-Christian rhetoric this blog promotes.

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  9. Anon 3:14AM, What's wrong with you? I'm really trying to be charitable here but you're making it a bit difficult. btw, I read the Baltimore catechism in grade school & "Our Quest for Happiness" Books One thro Four in High School. Never the CCC. And you?
    Now let me try & 'spain things again: Once more you seem to mix apples and oranges. These clergy are supposedly Catholic - Baptized and the whole nine yards - up to and including ordination (I won't get into the validity part right now) so they should know what Christ taught. Right? On the other hand, the Pharisees had no instruction in the Catholic faith. Right? Do you see where I'm going? Therefore these clergy KNOW what Christ wants and demands of us in order to be with Him in Heaven. The Pharisees were in invincible ignorance & couldn't be expected to know all that is required of them. Correct? Don't you think that AFTER Christ forgave them, they saw the light & were very sorry for what they'd done? God in His infinite mercy gave them an amazing grace even before they knew anything. You're debating with your finite knowledge. To sum up: If someone who is clueless offends me I can easily forgive & forget. If someone knows the faith (at least a clergyman should certainly know the faith, if anyone does) then I can forgive but will not forget that he needs to make restitution for his misdeeds and sins and mend his ways. Do you see the BIG difference now?

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    1. The Pharisees saw the light after Christ forgave them and were very sorry???

      Dang, Craig, you gotta instruct your shills a little better than this. I mean, this is kinda embarrassing.

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  10. "The Pharisees were in invincible ignorance & couldn't be expected to know all that is required of them. Correct?"

    Wait, what? Who are you, anyway? The Pharisees were in invincible ignorance? What Bible do you read? If Our Lord thought they were in invincible ignorance, He would not have been so harsh with them. I always understood they were in "affected ignorance", which means they deliberately blinded themselves to the truth about Christ because they didn't want to know. But if you have read different Fathers of the Church than I have, then please enlighten me ...

    "Don't you think that AFTER Christ forgave them, they saw the light & were very sorry for what they'd done?"

    No, I don't. I have absolutely no reason to think such a ridiculous idea. I see no evidence in Scripture for such an absurd statement, and if you think otherwise, I'm listening with both ears.

    "You're debating with your finite knowledge." This raises a profound question: if *your* knowledge is zero, is your knowledge finite or infinite? Is zero a finite or infinite quantity?

    "If someone knows the faith [...] then I can forgive."

    So then why did you write such a long silly post? You agree that we have to forgive. So then do we agree?

    "Do you see the BIG difference now?"

    I am more confused than you can even know ...

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  11. 7:37am - Talk about being stubborn!! OK, the Pharisees were versed in the Old Testament so they weren't totally ignorant, but the New hadn't been written yet. The fact is that Christ forgave them even tho they were Pharisees, out of His abundant mercy. He now demands restitution when we ask for forgiveness, does He not? I'm sorry you're so confused, you poor thing.

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    1. Respectfully, 6:31, you seem to have lost the thread of this discussion. We're not talking about God's forgiveness of us. Obviously we have to be sorry and make restitution before God will forgive us. What we're talking about is our forgiveness of our neighbor. In that case we are obliged to forgive our enemies or those who injure us even before they are sorry or ask for pardon. That is what the commenters above are claiming, and with justice, that this site doesn't do.

      If you don't believe me about that, just look up in any catechism book or just about any book on the Faith that you have on your shelf, and look up forgiveness in the index and see what it says about that.

      BTW, Craig understands this point. That's why he tried to come up with some way to make it sounds like he forgives the people he maligns in this blog.

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  12. Excuse me, 7:29, but you're the confused one. Remember? I haven't lost the thread here. I'm desperately trying to make you see the difference between an apple and an orange. Craig says that he has forgiven those clergy & I believe him. The point is about the forgetting part. I repeat: Forgiving is one thing. Forgetting is another. If the clergy go on their merry way without making restitution or mending their ways, then we mustn't forget that & need to remind the wayward clergy of their obligation to make amends. To do otherwise is to be an ENABLER. Actually, the way I see it is that Craig is the charitable one here concerning the clergy in that he wants them to shape up & fly right or else face a terrible punishment in the next life.
    For the record, I've never met Craig, nor been to SGG so I'm not his shill. Right is right & wrong is wrong. I'll defend to the death anyone who's in the right, whether I know that person personally or not & will try & make the person in the wrong see the light.

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  13. We READERS don't know the minds of other individuals, so we won't involve ourselves in the above conversation. Our collective position is this, one based on the old Roman law that frames the issue: miscreant sede clergy are debtors, and we traditional Catholics are the creditors. To extinguish their obligation in due form, or in other words "to forget," two things are required: (1) the payment, which must satisfy us, the creditors and (2) our formal discharge of the debtor. Our immediate or reflexive forgiveness of them constitutes partial satisfaction: we readily forgave because we know these men are horrifically malformed and ill-bred sleazebags. However, we cannot discharge ("forget") the sede debtors until they fully satisfy their debt by admitting their error and making reparation.

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  14. So, 7:29, would you mind explaining your take on the forgetting the need for restitution & amendment after committing a grave misdeed? To me it's as clear as a bell & I can't figure out why you can't see it. You mean that these clergy can continue on their misguided way and no one can cry "Foul'? I just don't get your position. Remember these clergy have no Pope - or even a Cardinal to rebuke them. Normally laity don't correct priests but we're in a crisis now. I'm reminded that St. Catherine of Siena did a good job of rebuking wayward clergy in her day.
    Are you at SGG?

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